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From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: ARTICLE: B. Greenwood Interview
Message-ID: <Peyc5B2w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>
Date: 30 May 93 11:16:48 GMT
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
File: greenco.cis
[The following is a transcript of the Sunday, November 13, 1988
OnlineCompuServe conference with "Clear Intent" author, Barry
Greenwood.]
8:12:33 PM EST Sunday, November 13, 1988
User User ID Nod Rm Name / Forum Area
---- ------------ --- --- -----------------
31 70511,17 CRZ 5 Mike R.
33 72220,2360 KOP 5 Thrasher
40 76012,3361 MRT 5 Ted
67 76701,75 BMD SIG
75 72411,2473 LTR 5 Bill M.
76 76004,2063 ACM 5 mike
79 76336,72 MIP 5 STEVE
84 73127,3066 SCS 5 Cephus
95 73240,52 HAR 5 Al
96 72627,2627 ALL 5 harry
101 71450,3504 ANN 5 Bert
105 75400,11 QFM 5 Tony I.
110 71605,2013 MIA 5 Gerry
121 76060,2404 DEQ 5 Mark
140 75340,2642 TSA 5 Barry G.
143 76703,266 DUK 5 G-WIZ
146 74270,3360 BOI 5 DON
160 73127,3066 SCS 5 Cephus
(Ted) Tonight's guest is Barry Greenwood author of one of the
most respected books in UFOlogy, "Clear Intent". Barry
do you have any opening comments?
(Barry G.) Happy to be on the air with you all. I know my stand on
MJ-12 has caused some controversy, but am open to any
questions about that, or about anything covered by
CAUS....
(Jim S.) Also want to mention that besides Barry, Ronald Story
is here with us, author of "The Encyclopedia of UFOs."
(DON) ??
(Bert) ?
(Gerry) ?
(Ted) !
(Ted) Don is up first.DON
(DON) First Barry, welcome, it is really nice to see such a
respected researcher here tonight. Since March I have
been researching a paper and I have used Clear Intent a
great deal I have wanted to ask a ? concerning the
"Cuban Jet Incident" I have come across several
incidents where hostility has been displayed in
reference to Military encounters do you have additional
info on this incident, or any further incidents
involving military encounters?
(Barry G.) No additional info on that incident we have filed FOIA
requests on it, but we need to have more specific info
for FOIA than we have at present regarding hostility: I
interpret these incidents more as accidental encounters
rather than deliberate attacks on our aircraft at least
for those that we have sufficient documentation.
(Bert) Barry, it seems pretty well accepted that there is a
significant amount of disinformation being disseminated
by the government to the public, the ufo community, and
no doubt the press. How do you sort thru all this in
your foia documents and decide what may be real and
what is phony? Also, one specific question: what can
you tell us about Aquarius?
(Barry G.) CAUS has a policy by which we require that any
government-oriented information we receive must come
from certifiable official sources or legitimate,
established archives in institutions. This is the only
way we can be sure that the documentation or stories
are on the level. We investigate rumors, and other
information from undocumented sources, but we don't
give it nearly the same weight as the authenticated
material. Aquarius: Considering that its linked to
MJ-12, and that CAUS has taken a skeptical stance on
the MJ-12 claims, we regard Aquarius as an
unauthenticated claim until we receive legitimate
documentation to show that it exists.
(DON) ??
(Bert) follow!
(Bert) But, Barry, could foia documents come from "authentic"
disinformation sources?
(Mark) ??
(Barry G.) Yes, they could, but a single document by itself isn't
necessarily proof of a claim. We would prefer that
there is more than one source for any story we
receive. Its all a matter of how much credible
material exists before we endorse a claim. As I said
before, we take seriously and examine all stories and
arrive at conclusions based on how well substantiated
the claims are.
(Ted) Gerry is next and then Ted [me]Gerry
(Gerry) Barry, could you sketch for us your position on the
idea that something like MJ-12 exists even though the
mj12 documents themselves may be disinformation? ga
(Barry G.) Of course I think there were extensive studies by the
govt. on UFOs over the years. I don't think this
problem could have been approached in any way other
than a very organized and a very covert manner. If you
read CLEAR INTENT, you will see that vast numbers of
documents still remain to be released. Some of that
material could refer to an MJ 12-Type group. Until we
see that information, we regard MJ-12 by that name as
unsubstantiated. I don't rule out other possibilities,
though.
(Ted) Ted is next! Barry, Dale Wedge claimed recently on
our message board that you, Jim Speiser, and Marge C.
had all resigned because you disagreed with the MUFON
handling of Gulf Breezes. Can you all comment?
(Barry G.) My resignation from MUFON (this is Barry speaking) had
nothing to do with Gulf Breeze. It occurred over a
year ago, and had much to do with my time and
disagreements with statements being made by MUFON
spokespeople on various aspects of current UFO events.
I do have problems with Gulf Breeze, but since I'm not
an investigator of those events, it amounts to only an
opinion, based on what I've seen published by both pro
and con.
(Marge C) My resignation was based on unfounded conclusions and
statements made by MUFON investigators regarding Gulf
Breeze. I also have problems with the investigation.
(Jim S.) My resignation was based on many events within MUFON,
of which Gulf Breeze was only the most visible part.
That's all I'll say at this point.
(DON) Barry, while conducting my research I found an
excellent research book titled "Somebody Else is On
the Moon" by author George H. Leonard. Leonard did
much research with various NASA Scientists, and came
across some very startling NASA Photos. During your
research with Fawcett, have you had occasion to
connect with any NASA personnel, and if so, what have
you found out concerning alleged occupation of the
Moon? And a follow up.
(Barry G.) Boy, any pro-UFO people out there are really going to
hate me for this. No, I don't endorse the conclusions
of George Leonard or anyone else promoting alien bases
or mining colonies on the moon. We have file FOIA
requests on this subject with NASA and other
government agencies, and have found absolutely nothing
to support these claims. We have examined copies of
the photos which have been published in these books,
and find them generally fuzzy and unconvincing as
evidence of intelligence.
(Bert) ?
(Cephus) d
(DON) OK, Barry, I have just picked this book up this last
week however I wrote a paper that Ted posted here
several months ago that came from a former
Intelligence officer that hinted at this very subject.
How does one explain the various anomalies that have
been observed on the Lunar surface, and what other
possible events could cause them? One other quick ?,
has any of your research involved alleged abduction
cases, and what do you make from this aspect of the
enigma?
(Barry G.) Yes, there are legitimate scientific anomalies which
have been detected on the moon and other planets but
that's exactly what they are: unexplained anomalies.
We're not prepared to go the several steps further to
the conclusion that these are alien artifacts. If
anyone has a clear photographs of any anomalies which
can be conclusively linked to aliens, we would be very
happy to examine the material and endorse it if
warranted. Abductions: we have not run across any
material on government investigations of abductions,
or even much reference to the subject. We have
received correspondence from some military people
reporting abductions to CAUS. We turned the material
over to Budd Hopkins or other abduction researchers to
sift the material, and if something is revealed, that
we can follow up through FOIA, we will do it. But we
don't have a whole lot of action in this area.
(Ted) Barry only has a limited amount of time with us
tonight so try to keep your ? short. He can stay
until a little after the hour.
(Cephus) ???
(harry) ??
(Mark) Thank you, Ted Barry, I am curious to know what has
become of Peter Gersten...and, what your opinions are
of the Roswell crash which has spurred the controversy
over MJ-12
(Barry G.) Peter Gersten is still director of CAUS, and still
active with us, although at a reduced level from the
past due to time commitments with his career and other
pursuits in the UFO field, specifically his
involvement with the Westchester Boomerang UFOs. He
still advises us on legal matters I'm still up in the
air on the Roswell Incident. Certainly, something did
crash there. It may have been a "flying saucer", but I
wasn't there, I can never say for sure what it was. I
disconnect it from the MJ-12 controversy because I
think there is a considerable amount of witness
testimony which must be considered in the whole
picture of the Roswell Incident. It may be a UFO,
we'll see.
(Ted) Here is the order - Bert, Cephus, Gerry and Ted [if we
have time]
(Bert) getting back to Don's question regarding the moon in
Tim Good's book Above Top Secret on page 380, the
following brief quote is made. It's a communication
between NASA and Apollo 11 Mission control: what's
there? you wouldn't believe It! I'm telling you there
are other spacecraft out there...lined up on the far
side of the crater edge...they're on the moon watching
us...." It is said that NASA deleted this from the
transcripts released to the public. But others,
including Russian listeners as well as Maurice
Chatelain confirm that it was a real exchange and that
NASA removed it from record. What do you think of
this? And what do you think of Above Top Secret in
general?
(Barry G.) This is another one of those tales which I'm
constantly having to explain because the original
sources are not reliable. I don't know where this
information originally came from, but I've never seen
any government documentation even hinting at this
exchange. I would ask where did Tim Goode get his
information, as well as Maurice Chatelain. Do they
have NASA transcripts verifying this? Also, I find it
amazing that we would get information on our Apollo
missions from the Soviets. The Apollo 11 mission was
one of the most recorded space missions in history why
didn't anyone else catch this? Especially since the
broadcasts were occurring in real-time.
(Cephus) Out here on the west coast we've heard that our
astronomers are tracking unidentified Flying Objects
but the government is not allowing any of this info to
be released to the public. The FOX network recently
broadcasted a very well done documentary on this what
do you think of this Barry?
(Barry G.) Not familiar with the "west coast" stories you've
heard so I really can;t comment on it. Regarding the
Fox network show you referred to, I assume you mean
the two hour "UFO Cover-up Live" Show...I felt the
show was a 50-50 proposition I enjoyed the first hour,
the second hour trailed off into questionable areas on
which I've already comment
(Barry G.) I completely support serious investigations into all
areas of UFO research. Our job is to be sure that the
information we develop is the best possible
information, the type that will stand up to rigorous
scrutiny. If we do not do this, all our efforts to
convince the scientific community, the government,
and the public will fail, because our standards were
low. If we can develop a solid database ...
% MONNCI Network connection interrupted, possible data loss.
[Attached, running]
[SysOp Note: At this point I was knocked off of the system - only 1 or
2 minutes were lost]
(Ted) Got knocked off! Can you repeat everything after
"database" thanks?
(Marge C) We got cut off...
(Bill M.) Yes
(Al) Barry got cut off...
(Mark) What happened???
(Barry G.) We're back, how far did we get?
(Ted) Barry. We all seemed to have gotten interrupted, you
were saying "If we can develop a solid database...."
(Barry G.) database to present to elected officials, then we can
only hope that they can recognize the seriousness of
the UFO phenomenon to the public and begin to fund
scientific investigations.
(Ted) Barry we want to thank you for joining us tonight and
sharing your thoughts with us. Any final comments
that you would like to make before we call it an
evening?
(Barry G.) I thought (when I was interrupted) that the NSA was
finally getting even with us...
(Mark) How do we write to Barry?
(Barry G.) for that court case. Seriously, I enjoyed answering
they can write to PO Box 176, Stoneham MA 02180.
Thanks!
(Mark) Thanks Barry
(DON) Nite all.....
(Ted) Good night Barry and thanks, thanks also to Jim
Speiser for "keyboarding" and Marge for providing the
coffee and doughnuts!
(Mark) ? to Ted
(Bill M.) nite
(Bert) Bill from LA, your last name isn't Moore is it?ga
(Bill M.) no, who's that?
(Mark) Ted, What is paranet?
(Ted) ParaNet is an independent network of around thirty or
so personal computer systems across the USA devoted to
the exploration of the paranormal. Jim Speiser is the
founder and is also the Co-SysOP here on ISSUES.
(How's that Tom Mickus?)
(Tom Mickus) Hi Ted....just got in...kinda late...
(Mark) Ted, If you don't mind, how does one go about joining
Paranet? I am doing research on a book that I might
write and want to find out how to get hooked up with
the right people,.
(Ted) Tom Mickus can help you on how to join Paranet or you
can write via EMAIL to Jim Speiser.
(Bert) I have a quick question for you Tom!!
(Bert) Does the "museum" in Lake Ontario have a location near
Toronto.
(Tom Micks) Yes...near Hamilton.
(Bert) ie the one Neil Palumbo use to talk about here?
(Tom Mickus) YES...that is the same one I suspect.
(Bert) ok, thanks. Well, got to run. Night all.
(Tom Mickus) Phone this number...it'll tell you all you need to
know 416-244-9999
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Titan|um Knight ( titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca )
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